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Natural gas vehicles making inroads; sales rising

St Louis Post Dispatch -- Ford Motor Co. said Tuesday it sold a record 11,600 natural gas vehicles last year, more than four times the number it sold two years ago.

It's the latest sign that natural gas is making inroads as a transportation fuel, particularly for truck fleets, buses and taxis. The consumer market is tougher to crack, but sales are gaining there as well.

But while natural gas may be a good choice for snow plows and trash trucks, which go relatively short distances and can refuel at city-owned pumps, it's a tougher call for ordinary consumers. Natural gas cars cost more and there are few public places to refuel them. Those issues need to be addressed if the vehicles are to significantly boost their share of the auto market, which is currently less than 1 percent.

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honda0105
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2013 5:57:49 AM

we may have lots of NG, but like oil, it will get harder and harder to produce. All booms come to a bust eventually.
honda0105
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 8:26:06 AM

rjr: it could be. But then, it could be we're running out of clean drinking water well before that.
rjr54
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 11:28:46 PM

I think that 20 years form now most cars will be CNG.
OriginalBudman
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 8:17:22 PM

Me too.
gravityhurts
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 7:17:33 AM

I've been saying it for two years. CNG is the fuel of the future.
blupupher
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 6:38:22 AM

I agree with Mac48. CNG/Gasoline hybrids are how to get CNG out there. No range anxiety on CNG since you have gasoline backup.
MAC48
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:43:06 AM

The key to the consumer vehicle market for GM, Ford and Chrysler is to produce bifuel (CNG/Gasoline) engines capable of running on either compressed natural gas or gasoline. All three Detroit automakers are currently producing a bifuel 3/4 to pickup and if these pickups sell well you will see the bifuel concept spread to vans and SUVS.

Go to cng.com to find out where commercial retial CNG fueling stations are located in your area.
bvrbill
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:19:33 AM

Keep working on the technology. It's a better alternative than electric vehicles.
jimpricehunter
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:05:05 AM

The article says,"...while natural gas may be a good choice for snow plows and trash trucks, which go relatively short distances and can refuel at city-owned pumps, it's a tougher call for ordinary consumers."

Yes, and what about vehicles exploding and burning up at the pumping facilities. Those pumping facilities have to meet strict standards and the man at the pump must be licensed according to strict standards, but drivers sometime make very foolish mistakes. I've seen a few of them and the result is always DISASTEROUS!
mamabeck
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:01:30 AM

Great concept without support. Maybe in a few years but not practical now.
pv2004
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:01:19 AM

whoa
wcp3rd
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:00:49 AM

ok
Holly123
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:59:43 PM

Ok
clermont40miles
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:58:55 PM

Good to see this movement. Now we need to see fuel readily available.
ldiggy
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:57:46 PM

Ok.
Math6149
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:57:21 PM

Show me one and obama wil buy it for me, right daddy?
brprven
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:54:17 PM

great now that will go up too
grt197
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:53:32 PM

ok
CCLighthouse
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:52:41 PM

People maybe concerned about if they can do the same kind of trip taking without worrying about fueling stations.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:50:50 PM

And what do you call gasoline, @wayoung56? If the gasoline engine were invented today, it would never meet safety certification.

If CNG vehicles are on the road, it means that they are safe.
prassu2012
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:48:57 PM

what about fuel
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:48:48 PM

Tell me @FlogNut, exactly how many people take long, cross-country trips in a given year? People like the idea of being able to hop in the car and drive 2,000 miles on a whim but how many really do?

It's kinda like SUV drivers that NEVER take their vehicles off-road.
Topless2012
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:47:37 PM

Use them for delivery work...
southrob
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:47:19 PM

dhan
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:46:55 PM

There's nowhere near enough CNG powered vehicles on the road to make a dent in natural gas supplies. There's only 250,000 vehicles on the road with 40,000 per year coming off assembly lines. That leaves us at least six years to double the number of CNG cars on the road.

Meanwhile, Toyota has already built over 1 million Toyota Prius hybrids with plenty more on the way. CNG will take a long while to catch up.
WIWalt
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:44:12 PM

Best kept for city & short haul fleets that have access to fueling
Ready Eddie
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:44:09 PM

This is good news...Late but still good.
mrbee
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:43:40 PM

Glad to hear this.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:42:50 PM

CNG is a "chicken or the egg" problem, @OuttaOfGAS. Gas stations won't put in CNG pumps until there are enough cars out there to buy CNG. Of course, drivers won't buy CNG cars until they can fill up everywhere.
Trudat316
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:42:32 PM

Great news!
GigHarborHound
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:42:15 PM

Good
Is246
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:41:39 PM

Industry really needs to support this so that oil and gas prices will drop.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:40:35 PM

To answer @snagged's question. I think the lion's share of the increased cost of a CNG vehicle is the fuel tank. Natural gas needs to be compressed under high pressure in order to get the 200 mile range of these vehicles. That requires either high strength steel or carbon fiber storage tanks, both of which cost a lot to produce.
HailstormCA
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:38:22 PM

I actually hope I live long enough to afford the transaction.
snerd
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:32:25 PM

Great!
hank1326
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:31:44 PM

Ford is my hero!
dasimon
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:29:33 PM

Ok
car253
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:27:22 PM

Not ready for prime time.
snagged
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:27:11 PM

Why does it cost so much more to build a nat gas car?
CaliberMan71
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:27:08 PM

When can we the consumer buy them? Why does it take so darn long for anything to become reality!!!
gasmack
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:26:37 PM

Build out the CNG infrastructure--auto sales will increase dramatically.
OuttaOfGAS
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:26:25 PM

Coming soon near you...WHEN? there isn't enough stations where you can Natural UP.
SavALot
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:25:44 PM

but for who's benefit?
Trowinsamoan
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:23:52 PM

Not going to happen
DEG
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:19:44 PM

Probably a mistake. Since natural gas is used for home heating and electricity generation; a big move to natural gas for vehicles will most likely drive up the costs for electricity and for home heating.
ScottTee
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:18:41 PM

Just pass the Natural Gas Act
pgerassi
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:16:54 PM

GOOD.
FlogNut
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:16:05 PM

Even more vehicles that aren't yet ready for prime time! Try and take this on a cross-country road trip! Good luck finding a filling station that can service you.
Gas4Gore
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:14:46 PM

What sells more, the Ford natural gas cars or the GM Volt, hummmm.
carloco75
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:13:45 PM

Chrystler too..
carloco75
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:12:07 PM

I didn't know Ford offered such fuel type vehicles since they don't offer any on its web site..!
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